[Intersection Podcast] Episode 010: Faith Journey

Hosted by Bobby Rettew, MA

Nick Charalambous HeadshotIf you have ever met Nick…you are drawn in by his British accent and the inner desire to figure out how to spell his last name. Here is why, because you will never forget this man once you shake his hand, so you better know how to spell his last name.

Nick Charalambous is a man of many passions. He loves his work. He loves telling stories for the church he loves. He loves his wife. He loves Christ…and I believe this affection is one of many intersections you will find woven together inside this soft spoken man. Nick is a fellow storyteller, and it is time for his story to be told.

He has done more than fought stage four bone cancer. His journalistic career as a heretic led him down a path to understand the inner workings of a rapidly growing church, one that led him to his faith. It is this faith that was the undercurrent after almost dying from a severe cycling accident and then again as he fought stage four bone cancer. Here is his story…

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Nick Charalambous: I mean, if you strip away the layers, there’s some place at the heart of someone that is infinitely fascinating and is very spiritual.

Bobby Rettew: Welcome to Intersection. I am Bobby Rettew, storyteller.

Bobby Rettew: We’re good to go. All right, so we’re gonna just record. You’re used to this.

Nick Charalambous: Yeah.

Bobby Rettew: Kinda sorta. I am joined by a person that I have never met before in my life and this is actually two minutes ago when he walked in my office, I shook his hand for the first time, so this is gonna be awesome. I would love for you to introduce yourself, but don’t tell us your name. Tell us what you’re most passionate about and then we’ll get into your main introduction.

Nick Charalambous: Oh, that’s an interesting question. So, I guess I’m most passionate about declaring the glory of God. I mean, that’s who I am. I’m a follower of Christ and that’s my vocation. I work for Newspring Church, which has campuses and locations all across South Carolina and really, the passion, the heart of all of that, is telling God’s story through the lives of His people, or even those that He has touched and graced in some way, and that’s what I do. I tell stories in video and in long form text.

Bobby Rettew: Introduce yourself.

Nick Charalambous: My name is Nicholas Charalambous.

Bobby Rettew: If you have ever met Nick, you are drawn in by his British accent and the inner desire to figure out how to spell his last name. Here’s why, because you will never forget this man once you shake his hand, so you better know how to spell his last name.

Bobby Rettew: Nick Charalambous: is a man of many passions. He loves his work, he loves telling stories for the church he loves, he loves his wife, and he loves Christ, and I believe this affection is one of many intersections you will find woven together inside this soft-spoken man. Nick is a fellow storyteller, and it’s time for his story to be told.

Bobby Rettew: He has done more than fought stage IV bone cancer. His journalistic career as a heretic led him down a path to understand the inner workings of a rapidly growing church, one that led him to his faith. It is this faith that was the under current after almost dying from a severe cycling accident and then again as he fought stage IV bone cancer. Here is his story.

Bobby Rettew: I assume, like Rettew, you get your name butchered.

Nick Charalambous: Yeah. Most people just get intimidated by it, but it’s actually very phonetic. It’s Char-a-lam-bus. Once you kind of slow them down and say, “Hey, it’s just … just sound it out,” they’re normally okay.

Bobby Rettew: Tell us your background. How did you become a storyteller?

Nick Charalambous: I guess the easy path to tell that story is that right around college in the UK I did an English language and literature degree at the University of Birmingham in England, and there was a lot of academic writing involved in that and I realized that I really didn’t care about the academic writings and I didn’t even actually care that much about the fiction writing. I think what I really cared about was probing and exploring, to use a fancy phrase, the human condition. I started getting involved on the student newspaper at the university there in Birmingham and one thing led to another and I basically felt like maybe I was kind of a better fit for journalism and the US was, at the time, the center of [inaudible 00:04:29] journalism and honestly broadcast journalism too, and I just thought, “Well, maybe I should apply for this scholarship that the University of Birmingham had with University of Kansas,” an exchange scholarship, and I thought “I’ll apply,” and I got it, and was able to come train in the US and I guess that’s the beginning of that story.

Bobby Rettew: Tell me about your journalism career.

Nick Charalambous: Yeah, I spent about 12 years total in journalism. I did two of those I guess at the Idaho State Journal in Idaho, and I did another 10 or so at the Anderson Independent Mail in Anderson, South Carolina. I think I won probably a handful of state awards and a couple national ones. Honestly, you could say I was quite successful, but I wasn’t anticipating staying in Anderson, South Carolina. I was absolutely fully anticipating moving on to bigger and better things, but one thing led to another. I got married in Anderson and met Jesus in Anderson and, just everything just basically made sense to stay here and do what the Lord has called me to do.

Bobby Rettew: So we’re gonna ask the elephant question in the room. How does a British accent match with a Southern accent in Anderson, South Carolina?

Nick Charalambous: Well, not very well, right. Everybody knows I’m foreign. I get Australian and South African once in a while, sometimes British. Honestly, my accent is not as British as it used to be, like my family makes fun of it now and sometimes no one even draws attention to it, which is kind of fascinating to me because maybe they just assume that I have a strange accent, but in the last few years it’s become quite, not rare, but uncommon for people to draw attention to it too much.

Bobby Rettew: Was it a beneficial addition to your reporting? When you meet people … people are usually drawn to someone that’s a little bit different and want to have a conversation.

Nick Charalambous: Yeah. It’s the easy-in for a conversation starter and people want to get to know you a little bit before they reveal whatever it is that they’re talking to you about and so being able to say, “Yeah, I’m from the UK and I’ve been over here for however many years and blah blah blah,” it’s a very, very helpful way of just creating kind of empathy and just beginning the conversation on a friendly footing.

Bobby Rettew: Tell me some of the stories that you wrote about and covered here in the Anderson area, maybe it was local, maybe it was regional, talk us through some of the bigger stories that you used.

Nick Charalambous: I think the ones that I remember the most were two crime stories, really. I think the first was the case of a fellow called, I think I remember his name, John Richard Wood, and he killed a deputy I think on Highway 85, if I’m not mistaken. His life ended in a hail of gunfire at the end of a dead-end road in Anderson County and it was one of the very first times I had the opportunity, tragically, to do a full write-up on deadline. In journalism, deadline is usually around about 10:00 at night, 11:00 at night and so I had to … and I think the death occurred in the afternoon sometime around 3:00. So I had to scramble, literally, to get as much information as I could for an in-depth profile of John Richard Wood.

Nick Charalambous: I did do some of the on the ground reporting but mostly that day my focus was as in-depth a profile of this man as you can do and so that was a competitive challenge, because you’re obviously competing with other news organizations on a big story like that, but it was also a writing challenge, and a time challenge. I remember that one.

Nick Charalambous: I think the one I’m most proud of was the case of, I think I remember his name, something about I think it was John Inman, perhaps, I hope that’s correct. But he was a … I guess he murdered a girl in Clemson whose name does escape me. He had been released about a year or so before from a facility, a prison in Florida, and that reporting, again I did an in-depth profile within a day or so of the murder taking place, or at least him being identified as the lead suspect, and then what I was most proud of though, was the ability to dig deeper into the story and uncover essentially a series of bureaucratic snafus that led to him being released. He was actually technically not supposed to be released and I think it was one of the few times that I had in journalism, the opportunity to honestly change the law. Lawmakers took the reporting that was done and basically fixed the problem that caused it. That was very gratifying. Those are the two that stand out the most I think to me.

Bobby Rettew: You know, one of the questions that I get from many of my colleagues that are still journalists, even young journalists when I go speak or interact, is how did you transition from the world of journalism into the world of telling stories for other people on a paid basis, so to speak? What was that transition like? I would love to hear from your perspective how did you transition? Were you called to transition? What made you start considering looking at the life of a storyteller outside the world of journalism, of the media, so to speak?

Nick Charalambous: Yeah, this is … there’s kind of a spiritual dimension to this that I can’t really avoid talking about. When I was a journalist, when I trained as a journalist and I was operating as a journalist for the first, I guess five or six years, I wasn’t a Christian. I was not a believer that Jesus rose from the dead. In fact, I was a very aggressive atheist. Essentially, even before I became a Christian, I realized, because I remember talking about the idea of starting up a company that would perhaps tell the stories of folks who are primarily for families to benefit, who are close to death or want to memorialize their lives in some form or fashion that would essentially help families connect with one another and keep a legacy alive.

Nick Charalambous: I know that I was already thinking about telling stories, personal stories, telling stories with a very spiritual, or at least emotional, component back then, but when I became a follower of Jesus, I just remember just absolutely knowing at the core of my soul that at the end of the day, getting in touch with a person’s heart and soul was the ultimate story, that it wasn’t about their accomplishments, it wasn’t necessarily about the biographical markers that we pass through, and it’s not even necessarily about the identities that we give ourselves.

Nick Charalambous: There’s some place at the very … I mean, if you strip away the layers, there’s some place at the heart of someone that is infinitely fascinating and is very spiritual and it kind of unlocks a piece of someone’s soul and I guess I just felt like I wanted to be part of those types of stories and so when I became a Christian, that began with me pursuing more and more opportunities at my … I guess you could call it my job, my gig, at the Independent Mail of just exploring more and more feature type stories, personally driven stories, and I think the two that I mentioned, the two crime stories that I mentioned were actually in that season, when it was like, “I don’t want to just write the news account. I want to try and probe deeper. I want to try and get to the heart of the person or the individual involved in this story.”

Nick Charalambous: So as that began to happen, I became more and more convinced that that was the heart of my passion in journalism. But ironically, it wasn’t that that led me into storytelling at NewSpring Church. I ended up being promoted a couple times, ended up in charge of web content, and it was about five years after I had gotten saved, and somehow there was, I guess, a need at NewSpring, at right that exact time period, for someone to pioneer what we called the web campus at the time. It’s basically an online form of church. And given my background with NewSpring and with web content, and it was going to be a very obviously web-driven format platform, it just seemed to make sense for me to join then, and so I did. I joined the staff there, and ironically, within about a year, our leadership decided, no, what you really should be doing is telling stories, and so that’s what I’ve been doing pretty much ever since.

Bobby Rettew: Let’s examine that a little bit. You talked about, at one point, really being … looking through the atheist lens. I look at that lens as journalists are built … I wouldn’t say to be skeptics. We’re almost built a little bit to be heretics. We ask lots and lots of questions because we are in seek of truth.

Nick Charalambous: Right.

Bobby Rettew: And I think you kind of talked a little bit about we’re in seek of little “t” truths, but really trying to drive to this big “T” truth. Did you find your pathway of seeking these truths kind of exposed you to this transition, like, how did I become … go from atheist to exploring death, to telling these stories, to, all of a sudden, I’m going to be telling stories for a church to talk about a path with Christ? That’s a big transition, in a way, and maybe it’s not. Maybe that’s not a big transition.

Nick Charalambous: I don’t know if it’s as big a transition as it sounds, and I think the reason why is the beautiful thing about storytelling in a context of Christian ministry is the ultimate truth that you want to communicate is that God is in control of everyone’s journey in some form or fashion and that they may or may not be aware of it at the time, but he is weaving a very elaborate tapestry in everyone’s lives. And the ultimate story, I guess, is to reveal those strands that God has been weaving together. And so if it’s not done elegantly or excellently, it can sometimes seem very formulaic, but I don’t believe that the work that I have done, the work that we have done at NewSpring, has ever fallen into the trap of being formulaic.

Nick Charalambous: I think it’s … We try very, very hard to be as sensitive as we can within the time constraints and the format constraints that you have with video, to be an auth … to tell an authentic story. And one of the beautiful parts of what we do is allow people to declare and preach the gospel in their own words. They don’t preach in the sense of use Bible verses, and they don’t preach in the sense of a three-point sermon. But just by declaring who God has been to them, just by declaring how God has revealed himself to them, how God has intervened and given his grace to them, that, to me and I think anyone who would watch one of these videos, would be instantly recognizable as a capital “T” truth about how God exists. And he isn’t a figment of someone’s imagination. He isn’t an emotional crutch. He is a true, living God who is at work in the world.

Nick Charalambous: And that, to me, is the ultimate, I guess, to use a big word, the apotheosis of what journalism is about because it’s … Journalism may be, outside of the Christian context, is about finding those threads of meaning, finding those corroborative aspects of a story and assembling them. I’m thinking here of the beginning of the book of Acts, where Luke talks about creating an orderly account of the life of Jesus and what happened as a result of his ministry. That is the spirit of journalism. I believe Luke was the first journalist in the sense … in the Christian context. And so I don’t think that they’re as far apart. I think all the skills, all the instincts that you need to be a great journalist are the same exact ones to be a great storyteller for the Kingdom of God.

Bobby Rettew: One of the things that I think that journalism and journalists, brand journalists, content creators, many times, I think, personally I struggle with is telling my story. We’re empowered to spend lots of time with people, get to know them. The camera is the insight into their soul, and there’s a lot of trust. We dance with these individuals, and we bring the camera in, and we have to do it elegantly in a way that’s proper and authentically tells their story, but many times they don’t hear us. We’re the crafters, but we’re not the craftees. When did you start telling your story? Was it your bike accident? Was it your cancer journey? How did you transition from telling these stories to start telling your story?

Nick Charalambous: Well, truth be told, I haven’t really told my story a whole lot, which is kind of … It hits me from time to time that I haven’t done that. There was a couple of occasions at church that my story, in basic terms, was told. Obviously, I’ve used a few blogs here and there to talk about my cancer journey, but yeah, and so I guess, I don’t believe I’ve blogged at all through nearly dying in my bike wreck. Yeah, it’s funny. I guess I always felt strange about drawing attention to myself, and I guess I didn’t want to be the subject of the story.

Nick Charalambous: That was … How can I put this? When I was deciding to do this cross South Carolina journey that I kind of dubbed The Cancer Miracle Tour of SC, I had to kind of get over that hump of, like, okay, maybe it’s time to tell my story in some form or fashion as it’s happening, and maybe it’s not self-indulgent to do it. Maybe it’s actually God honoring to do it. And so I think I did tell some of my story of the journey through cancer in real time, but I really tried to limit it to the essential threshold moments. So, yeah. Telling your own story, I think, is the hardest thing because you’re always thinking through, like, “Really, how special is this? I’m not really that different from everybody else. I’m not … Why should somebody pay attention to my story? I’m not that interesting.” I guess, that’s what’s prevented me, over the years, from sharing.

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Bobby Rettew: Well, your story is being told in a way that has been … has attracted me. I remember the first time that Tom, my brother-in-law Tom Haren, who you work with at NewSpring …

Nick Charalambous: Yeah.

Bobby Rettew: And he has been a part of the growing of that church. You’ve been on the early stages as well. And I remember when he came into the house one day, and he said, “Nick had a bike accident, and I don’t think he’s going to make it.” And Tom was shaken because you all have a close relationship.

Nick Charalambous: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Bobby Rettew: People that work in a church have a close relationship. Talk about that bike accident and what happened there and just explain that for us.

Nick Charalambous: Yeah. It was a normal, I think, Thursday or Friday morning. I think it was Friday morning because I was off. So got up, did my usual thing. I thought, “I’ll go for a bike ride today.” It was a beautiful day outside. It was the middle of July, so 80-some degrees. Stopped to … One of the very rare occasions that I decided to stop and make my wife some coffee. And it just so happened, as I was riding out in the first two or three miles, I was cresting a hill, going about maybe 18 miles an hour, not too fast for a cyclist, and there was a trailer that had stopped literally parked in the middle of the road. It’s a two-lane road I was riding that day.

Nick Charalambous: And the reason I know what happened next was because there was a video that was captured by a security camera at the fire station right in front of the place where the wreck happened. So essentially, it looks like I just did not see this trailer, even though it was a … It was filled with gardening or construction equipment, and it was a large trailer and a large truck. For whatever reason, I can’t fathom, the video just shows me acting like the trailer was not there. I even look up a few times, you can see on the video, and for some reason, my brain just did not compute that there was a stopped trailer.

Nick Charalambous: The best that I can understand, my brain was telling me, “Oh, yeah, there’s a trailer in front of you,” but it was like, “It must be moving because why would a trailer be stopped in the middle of the road?” So I hit the … head on, I mean, literally head on, hit the trailer and got catapulted over the top of all the construction equipment in the trailer, slumped on the side of the road. I don’t know who it was that called the ambulance, but the first thing I remember is being inside the hospital the day after. So every memory of that moment is from the video, if you can call that a memory. I mean, everything that actually happened that day I don’t remember at all.

Bobby Rettew: Tom says it was by the grace of God that you are still alive.

Nick Charalambous: Mm.

Bobby Rettew: Describe some of your injuries and what your thoughts when you hear that statement from Tom.

Nick Charalambous: Yeah, I mean, it’s without doubt true. I broke two vertebrae in my neck, and I broke a vertebra in my back, and ironically, the spinal … The neurologist that came in and told me about my injuries to my spine basically said, “Oh, interestingly enough, your neck, the opening for your spinal cord in your neck is particularly narrow. So if anyone was going to get paralyzed from those two injuries to your neck, it would have been you.” Even the piece of the vertebrae that was broken in my neck, or at least one of the places where it was broken, they said that usually there was a high chance of it shifting, so I would have had to have surgery to try and fuse some vertebrae in my neck. But somehow I had strong enough muscles in my neck, because I happened to be a swimmer, I think, that the fragment of the bone in my neck was able to stay close to the site where it was attached so that I didn’t have to have surgery. So I mean, it was … Yeah, to me, there’s no other explanation than the grace of God.

Bobby Rettew: What was rehab like?

Nick Charalambous: Rehab was pretty dreadful, actually. I was in a cast, a body cast, for about four months, and I didn’t have teeth, so I knocked out three front teeth technically, and I had a very, very serious concussion. It was a multiple layer of difficulty. When I got out of the cast, trying to rebuild the muscle strength in my back was really difficult because you’ve got to do the muscular work in stages. You can’t push it too hard because then you’ll injure yourself, and I was particularly concerned about re-injuring my back. It was slow. It took me probably about a year and a half before I felt like I could even bend and move the way that I would expect.

Nick Charalambous: I tried to do some swimming during that time to … a low impact way of helping the recovery. It was slow. It was frustrating.

Bobby Rettew: Which is interesting to me because I feel like we, as journalists, that were trained as journalists, are workaholics, and we don’t like to be laying down. We like to do things. We are active. We are always thinking about our next stories. We’re thinking about our work. What was that like to have to slow down a little bit?

Nick Charalambous: Well, I didn’t slow down, really. That was the irony, I think, is that I think I was in the hospital for five or six days in the Neuro ward and then I think once I got home, I just tried to figure out ways to accommodate the back brace. I remember when I went into work at the church, there was a lounger that we had lying around somewhere, and so I would sit in the lounger because it was slightly spread out so I could … My back brace could be accommodated, and just did my work in a laid back position, in a reclined position, for, what, four months or so. I don’t remember really slowing down a whole lot.

Nick Charalambous: It was awkward. I needed help. I needed people to move things around for me. I needed special chairs at times, but to the best of my remembrance, I really didn’t slow down.

Bobby Rettew: Tom tells me that you, after you got well, you started having back problems, and that back pain, you were attributed to your cycling accident, but it turned out to be something more. Is that true, or contextualize that for us a little bit.

Nick Charalambous: It’s sort of true. Essentially, I got to the point in the January of 2015 where I think my back injury … The wreck happened in July of 2013, so it’s about 18 months later. I had finally gotten to the place where I thought, “You know what? Maybe you can get back on your bike. Maybe you can, I guess, declare victory in some form or fashion over the rehab process and be an athlete or at least an amateur athlete again.” Well, I started thinking, “Well, maybe I should do one of those sprint triathlons.”

Bobby Rettew: Just jump out the gate and just go after something.

Nick Charalambous: But I mean in terms of training, in terms of training, and I thought, “So I’ll start training.” Well, I started training, and I remember when I was running, particularly, I felt just a lot of pain in my legs, and I also started to feel this weird pain in my neck that just would not go away, and I just could not figure out … I thought originally in the first few weeks, I thought, “Well, maybe it’s just that my body’s adjusting to the new training and to the injuries that I had,” and I thought to myself, “Well, it does make some sense that my back isn’t probably used to the impact of the ground,” so it made sense, but the pain in my neck, especially, just kept persisting and persisting and persisting. I stopped running, stopped doing all the training activity, still continued, went to the doctor in March, couldn’t find anything on X-rays, went to the doctor in April, couldn’t find anything on X-rays, went to the doctor in May, “Well, let’s do an MRI,” zero.

Nick Charalambous: Well, it got to the point in June, at the end of June, and beginning of July where literally I could not bend over anymore. If I would get up in the morning and go to brush my teeth at the sink, could not bend over the sink to wash my face or do any of that stuff, and around that time, I realized that if I laid down to go to bed, I wouldn’t be able to get back up in the morning, and so I started sleeping in a recliner in the living room, and, essentially, the process at that … Once those problems started happening, I knew that this wasn’t normal. I guess as much as anything, to just make sure that I wasn’t dreaming this, I went back to my neurologist and said, “Is there any conceivable way that this is connected to this wreck? Any conceivable way?” He said, “No.” I said, “Well, it sounds to me like I need to go see someone else,” and he goes, “And I would concur with that.”

Nick Charalambous: When I went to see, I think it was an endocrinologist or someone. I can’t remember what type of doctor it was, but I went to go see him, and he had no explanation, either. He did another set of MRIs, still nothing, and in the space of two or three weeks after seeing him, I started having to use a walker to even move around, and went back into his office at the end of August, and he saw me with a walker. I think it just hit him. It’s like, “No, there’s something very systemically wrong here.” He ran some more tests and one more set of X-rays, and, this time, the X-rays came back, and he noticed lesions all the way up and down, thousands of lesions, all the way up and down my spine and into my pelvis, and he actually ended up calling me and telling me, “Nick, not good news. You have cancer,” and that was the beginning of that journey.

Bobby Rettew: What was that phone call like?

Nick Charalambous: It’s funny. I’ve done enough stories that you kind of imagine if you haven’t heard of those types of calls. There was surprise in the sense of like, “Wow. After all of this, now we find out that I have cancer.” It was definitely a surprise because I would have assumed that if it was cancer, they would have been able to figure it out beforehand, but there wasn’t really a whole lot of shock in the sense of emotional shock in that moment. There was almost an instant sense in which, “Okay. This is a new journey that I get to take with God,” and I’m not just saying that. That literally was the first thing that came to my mind, and He had been faithful from the beginning of my life and faithful in the wreck that I had, so I had to believe that He was going to be faithful in His own way through this journey.

Nick Charalambous: Very quickly, my focus was really just on trying very, very hard to not let my emotions run away from me, to just keep focused on, I guess, letting God be my guide on this journey.

Bobby Rettew: I remember when we found out that [Sarah’s 00:36:59] mom had breast cancer. I remember that first time that we sat down and we went through that conversation, and she had triple negative metastatic breast cancer. It was stage 3. She ignored it, and I remember her telling us, and I thought about it for a second in classic journalist mode, and I wonder if you would agree with this. We assess our situation. We compare to our previous contexts. I’m sure you’ve told cancer stories. I’ve told cancer stories. We spend lots of time interviewing, to pull those soundbites out, to understand, to expose people to the raw emotion, but then, all the sudden, it’s your emotion, and it’s a weird way to actually start putting words to it.

Bobby Rettew: Did you experience that? Was there a shift there, or did you realize anything that, “Now, this is my story.”

Nick Charalambous: I don’t think I instantly felt like this was going to be a story that I would share. I think my first thought was, “This is me and God.” Obviously, my wife was absolutely a huge part of that, but when you’re sick, and especially seriously sick, I was dying, there was no doubt about it, within weeks, if not a few months.

Bobby Rettew: How serious was it?

Nick Charalambous: The doctors, when I went … I was hospitalized on an emergent basis at MUSC within a couple weeks I think or within a week, 10 days, of finding out that I was diagnosed. My bones were so brittle and crumbling essentially from the tumor that they were dumping tons of calcium into my blood stream. It’s called hypocalcemia. You can basically die from it within a matter of half an hour sometimes. I was emergent at that point. The doctors were able to stabilize me, but when they were trying to figure out how to treat this disease, it was clear for them that, number one, it was a rare form of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and they didn’t have a protocol for it.

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